Opinion: Statistics Show Why 'Save Medicare' Party Line Is Important

Democratic committee chairman gives reasons why he thinks 'Save Medicare' vote is needed.

Here are some very bad statistics.

The general condition of a country's health has is reflected in two statistics: Life expectancy and infant mortality. The following information in from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency's World Factbook.

The U.S ranks 50 among the 221 countries. Life expectancy is greater in all the European Union countries, and ours is even lower than those of Jordan and Bosnia. The average Canadian can expect to live 3.1 years longer than the average American. We have a greater infant mortality rate than Cuba. For infant mortality, the U.S. ranks 46 of the 222 countries listed with 6.6 infant deaths per 1000 births. These statistics were gathered by our CIA.

Clearly something needs be done. President Obama has tried while Republicans continue to push for more cuts in social spending. Lets get this out to all — send the message to Albany and Washington on Nov. 8: Vote row A and G for

Art Tillman, Chairman

Tom November 03, 2011 at 12:15 PM
Arthur, you are really starting to bore me. It's like listening to the same old whine over and over again. How about this: Add some substance to your argument. Okay, Medicare cuts will hurt San Simeon. We get that. Fine. But Arthur, what the heck is one of your "Trustee" candidates going to do about Medicare? What is Nick Deegan going to do about Medicare, other than potentially collect it? What you are basically saying is this: Pick my Democratic Candidates, and you will "send a message" to Washington and Albany. Problem is this: Your candidates are simply not the best choice. You are asking us to forgo making the best choice of candidates, Jimmy King and Bob Ghosio for example, just to be able to "Send a Message." Sorry pal, but I am not interested in sacrificing my wetlands just to send a message to people who aren't even going to know that we exist. Picking Steve and Lynn is clearly picking the least qualified of the Trustee candidates. They have no, read me, NO, environmental experience or background. But you are telling me that I should vote for them, to "send a message." Sorry, no way. Same goes for town board. Arthur, if you want to send a message to Albany, get a sandwich board sign, and hop on a bus. Me, I am not sacrificing my town, to pick lesser candidates, just to send a message to people who don't know and don't care what a few thousand voters in Southold think about Medicare.
Gary M Charters November 03, 2011 at 12:32 PM
The issue Benja is the name of the extra party line it has nothing to do with any election on a local level such as this. So when park, school, library and fire districts have elections they too should send a message about medicare. NONSENSE!
Arthur Tillman November 03, 2011 at 12:41 PM
Political Science 101: All third party lines exist to exert influence over the two major parties and send a message to the major parties through the ballot. "Right to Life" to stop abortion, "Working Families" to enact policy helpful to labor policy, etc. They exist to send a message and so it is with "Save Medicare." If the third party line gets enough votes to get one of the major parties candidates elected then all parties listen to the message and often come around and adopt the third party or line's issue as their own. This is in the American political system. So it is with "Save Medicare." Sorry if that is boring, but it is the fact.
Benja Schwartz November 03, 2011 at 01:03 PM
Tom, Do you realize how badly you are twisting the facts? Face it, voting on a specific party line does not mean choosing spceific candidates. And as for you're asking us to forgo making the best choice of candidates. Your statement >> They have no, read me, NO, environmental experience or background. Reveals your ignorance in two ways. First, it is a completely false statement. The Democratic Trustee candidates do have background and experience. Second, it is not even a half story. Environmental experience or background are in the past. What is important is what will the elected candidates do in the future. Also experience and background may not only not preoare us for the future they may mire us in the past. We can not stop time, the future is coming, lets face it!
Tom November 03, 2011 at 04:49 PM
Benja, Do yourself a favor and do not engage me... let alone presume that you are either intelligent or knowledgeable enough to comment on my ignorance. Argue the point, not the person... or did they not teach you that at Pace law school?
Tom November 03, 2011 at 05:00 PM
Arthur, that's not what's boring. Your continuous repetition of the same lines which completely lack specificity, and instead solely refer to generalizations designed to create fear and distrust, are what bore me. Several posters here, Charlie and Angela specifically, have posited very specific questions to you, all of which you have not answered. You are obviously here reading the blog, so answer their questions. You are the Democratic party leader, aren't you?
forward thinking November 03, 2011 at 09:11 PM
dont worry tom - next years line will be "lets lend billions to business going out of business". i agree on the trustee positions - one directly involved with water wildlife here on the east end the other a graduate biologist / and active in hands on responses (i.e.- north road erosion). both i feel balance common sense and homeowners rights with environmental impact...
forward thinking November 03, 2011 at 09:16 PM
listen - when you dont have facts "yell", make outlandish statements, take up smoking or mirror making.. and last but not least make it personal with baseless truths (or is it untruths) we can always trample freedom of speech (expression) an eliminate signs - how meaningful - since all the signs are quickly removed (at least in soho)
forward thinking November 03, 2011 at 09:17 PM
joe friday must have been a republican - mam' just the facts
Benja Schwartz November 03, 2011 at 11:05 PM
Tom you really R lol Your statement >> The truth is that there is nothing, absolutely NOTHING, that ANY of the elected officials in Southold town can do impact, change, fund or de-fund Medicare. is pure evil. If you believe in democracy you should understand that every individual and obviously the local government that represents the collective and synthetic interest of all individuals in a locality does have something to say and power to change programs of our Federal Government, including Medicare. So give up threatening me >> Do yourself a favor and do not engage me and use your brain. Otherwise you will continue to be part of the problem.
Benja Schwartz November 03, 2011 at 11:19 PM
btw Tom why would you advise me to >> Argue the point, not the person. and proceed to Argue the person?
Benja Schwartz November 03, 2011 at 11:22 PM
forward thinking, give it up, U have ZERO credibility Who is >> joe friday must have been a republican - mam' just the facts
Maria November 04, 2011 at 12:09 AM
LOL - Benja - I guess you never saw Dragnet.
Tom November 04, 2011 at 12:11 AM
Benja, it wasn't a threat, and I did not argue the person. I asked a question. If I recall, you were the one who opened the issue by stating that I was revealing my ignorance. Notwithstanding that, I am not interested in discussing you, so there will be no responses to your ad hominem attacks. I am interested in discussing issues, and candidates. And on that note, I see that Scott Russel was endorsed by the Suffolk Times, who hailed him as "a quiet, effective leader," one who has "build(s) consensus, both inside and out of Town Hall." The Times even said that Mr. Russell "is not beholden to any one group or political philosophy" which "has earned him bipartisan support." Spectacular, don't you think? The Suffolk Times chose not to endorse that hot-headed Democrat, who blew a fuse out at Orient, and was gaveled off the podium after displaying his "combative, confrontational style." Heck they even went so far as to state that he "would be an utter failure" at being chairman of the board, labeling him "Dictatorial!" Wow, I have never, not once in my life, seen the Suffolk Times give such a damning rejection of a candidate! So much for that political career! Last time Russell won by 83%, against the flaccid Democrat Chris Baiz. I venture Russell might just beat those numbers this year!
Tom November 04, 2011 at 01:03 AM
PAGING, MR. TILLMAN. MR. ARTHUR TILLMAN. PLEASE COME TO THE "REPLY" BUTTON AND ANSWER THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC QUESTIONS: Charlie Z: 1: So let me get this straight, a vote for Lynn Sommers for Southold Trustee means I vote for increased social spending on the national level so we can continue funding Medicare? 2: Does she know that? Angela: 1: PLEASE tell us what Lynn Sommers would do specifically, to help save Medicare? 2: And if what Tom said is true (which you didn't deny), why not use your juice and show that you're a real mover and shaker and get Tim Bishop to do something about Medicare. You say he "supports it", we ALL support it. What will he DO to show that he supports it?" Much like the Suffolk TImes said of your Republican/Conservative voting town councilman Al Krupski, your "silence during the campaign speaks volumes." Will we get specific answers to specific questions? Where is Arthur... The World Wonders (my apologies to Bull Halsey)
Benja Schwartz November 04, 2011 at 01:19 AM
Tom, you r right i replied to your comment that it revealed your ignorance. I then proceeded to argue the issues. Your responce does not addressthe issues. You continue to attack me personally. No wonder you like the Suffolk Tomes.
William Swiskey sr November 04, 2011 at 02:21 AM
Smoke and mirrors again, will the part time Dems if elected cut the bennies for part time elected officials. A local issue with local control that could save locally over $1'000'000 in less then 3yrs. Now that's a local issue that calls for an answer from all candidates. Well Mr. Tillman can you answer a local voter?
forward thinking November 04, 2011 at 02:26 AM
you are right on credibility - when i yell which i stopped when i grew up 50 yrs ago.. i like facts not copious quantity of mindless drivel - desperate times call for desperate measures, i cant believe the very negitive dem advertizement on radio ...it almost makes me not vote for the one dem worth their salt (in my view)
William Swiskey sr November 04, 2011 at 03:07 AM
Edwards has my vote, let's hope he's not smoke and mirrors.
Tom November 06, 2011 at 01:19 AM
Mr. Tillman has chosen not to answer the questions asked of him. Fully expected. He will get his response on Tuesday.
Arthur Tillman November 06, 2011 at 03:04 PM
Answers found in post of Nov. 3rd.
forward thinking November 06, 2011 at 04:52 PM
your logic of the third party line should then follow the guidelines of the dem. line, the repub. line, and all other lines.... interview the candidates to see who best adheres to the "DOGMA" of the line - i bet you (if you dare) would find all the local candidates would have the same view - ?? THEN WHAT" would the ply be exposed for its true "POINT" ---
Maria November 06, 2011 at 04:57 PM
You have to admit, Forward Thinking has a very good point there.
William Swiskey sr November 06, 2011 at 07:57 PM
Here's a question for Mr. Tillman that can save a lot of money locally. Will your party vow to cut benefits for all part time elected trustees and board members. I know the GOP won't, what's the DEMS. position. $300,000 save year 1 $ 1,000,000 in less then 4 years. Sounds good to most taxpayers how about you. Forget scaring old people save them money on there tax bill.
Tom November 06, 2011 at 11:10 PM
Hardly, and nice try, but again, avoidance. God I can only hope that when you and your candidates get spanked at this Tuesday's election, that someone in the Southold Democratic party has enough sense, guts, and volunteerism to throw you out as chairman. Pure negativity, and useless topics. Lame.
Tom November 06, 2011 at 11:12 PM
Yeah, the completely hysterical part about Tillman's "Democrats" is that the only one who the Sufferin' Crimes endorsed was a Republican, as was the only other one who even came close. All the supposed "real" Democrats were cast aside.
Tom November 06, 2011 at 11:14 PM
Tillman's candidates "talk" about saving the taxpayers money, but in reality they will be "Double Dipping" by collecting salaries AND pensions AND benefits at the same time. Saving money is lipservice. These people want to take it all.
Tom November 06, 2011 at 11:14 PM
I agree completely!
Arthur Tillman November 07, 2011 at 03:03 PM
So as if read this correctly, one who runs for any position in Southold must be willing to give up their pensions if they have one. What an appealing idea for more senior candidates.
Tom November 07, 2011 at 05:07 PM
No, it's called not being a hypocrite, to wit: Don't make a party platform statement that you will save taxpayers money by eliminating positions in town hall, and then simultaneously run candidates who will be "double dipping" by collecting pensions and salaries at the same time. I have no problem whatsoever with your candidates collecting their pensions, they earned it. (by the way Art, nice try attempting to, once again, scare seniors with your little line of "What an appealing idea for more senior candidates") I would like to see your candidates put their money where your mouth is, and agree to help save the taxpayers money by volunteering not to collect their salaries as elected officials, if elected. Or, at the very least, to agree to voluntarily not collect that portion of their salaries that is equal to the amount of money that they collect in their pensions. They can then collect the amount over that. Save us money Arthur, don't nominate double dipping candidates.


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