Losquadro: Helicopter Mandate is a 'Fix That Didn't Fix Anything'

Assemblyman wants stronger push for Long Island Sound route for helicopters.

For Assemblyman Dan Losquadro, R-Shoreham, a mandated Long Island Sound flyover route for Hamptons-bound helicopters is a “fix that didn’t fix anything.”

Urged by Sen. Charles Schumer, the a new rule that requires “helicopter pilots to use the New York North Shore Helicopter Route when operating along the North Shore of Long Island.”

“The North Shore Helicopter Route was added to the New York Helicopter Route Chart in 2008 and prior to this action, its use has been voluntary,” the new rule states. “The purpose of this rule is to protect and enhance public welfare by maximizing utilization of the existing route flown by helicopter traffic one mile off the north shore of Long Island and thereby reducing helicopter overflights and attendant noise disturbance over nearby communities. This rule will lapse in two years unless the FAA determines that a permanent rule is merited.”

But residents of Mattituck and nearby communities continue to complain about constant helicopter noise since the early August ruling. After a debate this week at a Federal Aviation Administration symposium of helicopter route at Brookhaven Town Hall, Losquadro said that all the feds did was “squeeze the balloon” of helicopter transitioning paths further east — concentrated over Mattiuck — instead of forcing pilots to fly over the water to Orient Point, then swing around to the Hamptons.

“What is not mandated is the pilots’ transitioning point to cross the island,” he said. “And all pilots are choosing to transition to the Hamptons over eastern Riverhead and western Southold region. In my office, the complaints about helicopter noise have shifted to the east end of my district — the problem there is more concentrated than before.”

People in Mattituck and in other areas of the North Fork transitioning from the North Shore route to heliports in the Hamptons. But even under the new flight path mandate, pilots can transition with their own discretion.

“To the extent a helicopter operator cannot safely fly along the North Shore Helicopter Route, this rule specifically allows for deviation,” reads the FAA rule. “The FAA recognizes the varying capabilities of helicopters, and this rule permits pilots to deviate from the rule for safety, weather, or when transitioning to or from a destination or point of landing. Under § 91.3, the pilot in command is directly responsible for and is the final authority as to the operation of that aircraft. Therefore, if flight along this route places a helicopter beyond the autorotation performance distance to the shore and the helicopter is not equipped with flotation devices, such as life jackets or helicopter floats, the pilot is permitted to deviate from the route and altitude.”

At the symposium, Losquadro debated that this deviation from the law made the North Shore Helicopter mandate moot.

“There is still a disproportionate impact on the North Fork,” Losquadro said. “How can you say a flight path is mandated when it’s discretionary? One pilot in charge has the final say, and obviously the residents of Mattituck and the North Fork are not happy with it.”

See attached PDF of the new North Shore FAA ruling.

What do you think? Tell us in the comment boxes below.

Bob Bittner August 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM
So all the pilot has to do is not have "life jackets" on the helicopter and it has an exception to allow it to violate the law? Who is checking on the availablity of the "life jackets" during the violation? I don't see a check point high in the sky. Why do they fly so low? Why do helicopters in this day an age make so much noise? And finally why can't the "Legislatiors" make the law and instruct the FAA to enforce the law? I vote for legislation not for FAA rulings.
the owl August 30, 2012 at 10:43 AM
The residents on the north fork west of jessup's nect on the South Shore, get what the folks in Noy and Sag harbor get----all the inbound and oubound traffic from and to the northern route from East Hampton Airport. That is simply not right. Time for legislators to make much more noise about this problem. The Quiet Skies Coalition people have been demonstrating at EH airport the last couple of weekends, perhaps its time the North Fork residents began a protest rally too. Since pleas and demands have not worked, the protest is the only route left for residents. Sad but true..
Erin Schultz (Editor) August 30, 2012 at 12:26 PM
Barbara Lombardo Tebbitt said on Facebook: "It still bugs us here in Wading River!"
EMS August 30, 2012 at 12:36 PM
Why can't they fly up the coast on the south side. Either that or just get them some floatation devices. If they can afford to fly out to the Hamptons I'm sure they can afford to better equip the helicopters their flying in. Just give us a break already!!
harold gordon August 30, 2012 at 01:39 PM
It's Thursday Aug 20, 9:30 and it's starting! What's starting? The Greed and Scofflaw perpetrated by the Chopper Industry , the Indifference of indulgent passengers that use their services and the utter ineffectiveness of the FAA. Even the birds are disturbed by the noise! This may be a subject the EPA should be aware of..while there still is an EPA!
Ross R. Caliguri August 30, 2012 at 01:47 PM
It will sound funny and will seem rediculous but the answer is build a bridge from somwhere on the east end of Long Island to Conn. This will eleviate a lot of traffic congestion. As a retired pilot, you can never legislate the noise problem especailly from heleicopters, someone will always complain. I don't have any simpathy for the folks who bought homes around the East Hampton Airport becuase they new going in that there would be noise. Until they develope aircraft that are essentialy silent this problem will not be solved.
ed finnegan August 30, 2012 at 02:04 PM
thank you, mr losquadr , for pointing out the obvious...going to do anything about it?if so, please tell us.w
Ted Webb August 30, 2012 at 04:21 PM
Assemblyman Losquadro is correct: A fix that is not a fix! As residents of Orient we are hearing more helicopter noise than ever before. especially on the weekends. If they are required to turn at Orient Point I suspect they are cheating a bit and flying right over this little hamlet. I like the solution proposed by the writer who suggests that they fly along the ocean to points west. I have not heard any complaints from whales, stripers, bluefish or sharks.
Ted Webb August 30, 2012 at 04:41 PM
Yes. Your suggestions are funny and ridiculous.
K. August 30, 2012 at 08:40 PM
"Lawmakers" will not want to face the ire of the Fire Islanders who might be impacted by an ocean Route.
SadderBudweiser September 01, 2012 at 07:14 PM
If you can't change what happens in the air then you have to change what's happening on the ground. It behooves ALL affected Long Islanders to pressure the East Hampton Town board to discontinue FAA funding and oversight. Then, at least, we can attempt to gain some control over the worst noisemakers. Visit the Quiet Skies Coalition web page for more info.
highhatsize September 01, 2012 at 09:42 PM
Require all helicopters that use East Hampton airport to fly around Orient Point, then turn right at Georgica Pond, or forbid the use of East Hampton airport to helicopters. What would it take to make this happen?
SadderBudweiser September 02, 2012 at 04:49 PM
It would take an act of god. Even the FAA can't be the final arbiter of where a helicopter pilot turns to approach the airport. That decision is left entirely to the pilot. But if the Town of East hampton were to stop taking funds from the FAA and let certain grant assurances expire in just a bit over two year they could THEN both mandate curfews and other noise mitigation AND enforce them. While those below have no say in what happens in the sky we can have recourse the minute they land on our turf. FAA out of East Hampton Airport!s


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